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  • #1559
    Putnam888
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    well, I do try to understand what you are talking about, but the thing is that the main active ingredient it is octacosanol and I do think that this is natural, isn’t it? I mean, this might help and might be a bit less dangerous since it is natural, no?

    #1560
    Kerman
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    I thought that they stopped to make such crap and they either stopped and now re started to try to make money out of it either I haven’t heard about it in a long time now. whichever the case I tell you something that’s for sure: that stuff does not work so I would say that it is not worth it and that you must stay away from it. if you are REALLY SO interested in it then I tell you that the only form of IGF 1 that it is really working orally it is Oratropin, if you hear anything else differently then be sure – that’s a scam. but even that stuff there are some people (many people) who do not like even that one. in short, you have very little chances that you are gonna use it and you’re gonna like it. so no it’s not worth it and I would say that you need to stay away from it if you don’t want to be disappointed. you said that your friend likes it… isn’t he the one who sells it himself? be careful who your friends are too. do whatever you want but I tell you one sure thing, that stuff it is a bunk and it is a scam, no doubts.

    #1561
    Putnam888
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    oh yeah, this is the reason why I came here because this is what I have been thinking myself, I just wanted to ask some other people that I knew they know more than I do. so thank you very much for your confirmation, now I’m just gonna stay away from it so I wanted to say thank you for saving my time and my money.

    #1562
    Harold
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    [quote] whichever the case I tell you something that’s for sure: that stuff does not work so I would say that it is not worth it and that you must stay away from it. if you are REALLY SO interested in it then I tell you that the only form of IGF 1 that it is really working orally it is Oratropin, if you hear anything else differently then be sure – that’s a scam. but even that stuff there are some people (many people) who do not like even that one. in short, you have very little chances that you are gonna use it and you’re gonna like it. [/quote]

    well, I have been searching info about this myself and I have been reading A LOT (because I have been interested in it) about this product that you have mentioned Oratropin and indeed, you do seem to be right on that because it does seems, so far, to be helpful and working for people. plus to that, nearly all of the oral IGF 1 supplements are going into your stomach and this one is absorbed through your mouth and esophagus. I know it for sure because I know of 2 people that I personally know them who are using it and right now both of them are complaining about having some huge pumps in their calves simply from walking…. and they are also both dropping body fat quite fast too. however, as far as strength and size gains I really don’t know yet due to the fact that they cannot even lift right now due to those pumps that they are now getting. that’s what I can tell you guys about this thing…

    #1563
    LockDown
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    so well, the Oral IGF 1 really does seems like it would cause some really really bad gh gut and I personally wouldn’t want to risk taking it, not sure how other people feel about it… but that’s really seem to be true… because of all of those things that hangs around in your intestines this stuff is causing them to grow in size and to expand more and more so I doubt you end up feeling very well.. but besides that… I have heard that this stuff it is very expensive as well, isn’t it true? I mean, from as much as I have heard the real deal inject able it is approximately $400 or so (and I have heard about 400 bucks a few years ago) for only a 20 day cycle… not sure if the prices changed in these years but I still think that it is damn too expensive so costly measures. I do think that there must be some other stuff that maybe are not really much cheaper, but I do think that they must be safer and maybe even more helpful too.. hoping this is gonna be helpful to you guys.

    #1557
    Putnam888
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    hi, I’m interested in learning more about Growth Factor 1 (in short IGF 1 – Insulin like Growth Factor 1) and that’s why I am here. I’ve been trying to search for information myself online but I have been given all sorts of useless articles and nothing understandable. plus to that, I would really like to talk with you people who are more experienced than I am. I would really like you guys to tell me whether anybody here knows anything in regards to this supplements and obviously to tell me how beneficial and dangerous it can be. also I would really appreciate if somebody ever used it here and can tell me more about it. I am now really curious to find out how effective it is. please. the thing is that I personally don’t really think that it can be so helpful but I do think that it can be a bit dangerous… what makes me stay away from it is the thought that it is not really helpful I think, however there’s a friend of mine (an always at gym guy, of course) who said that in fact it really is effective so I am not very sure now… I guess I am here now because I want to get some other opinions here. I would like to see how many people of you found it helpful and how many didn’t. what he recommends me is the Growth Factor 1 (IGF 1) with Octacosanol From Belle International. what do you guys think about it? please, I will appreciate every of your post so give me your opinions!

    #1558
    SestoElem
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    hi, I’m interested in learning more about Growth Factor 1 (in short IGF 1 – Insulin like Growth Factor 1) and that’s why I am here. I’ve been trying to search for information myself online but I have been given all sorts of useless articles and nothing understandable. plus to that, I would really like to talk with you people who are more experienced than I am. I would really like you guys to tell me whether anybody here knows anything in regards to this supplements and obviously to tell me how beneficial and dangerous it can be. also I would really appreciate if somebody ever used it here and can tell me more about it. I am now really curious to find out how effective it is. please. the thing is that I personally don’t really think that it can be so helpful but I do think that it can be a bit dangerous… what makes me stay away from it is the thought that it is not really helpful I think, however there’s a friend of mine (an always at gym guy, of course) who said that in fact it really is effective so I am not very sure now… I guess I am here now because I want to get some other opinions here. I would like to see how many people of you found it helpful and how many didn’t. what he recommends me is the Growth Factor 1 (IGF 1) with Octacosanol From Belle International. what do you guys think about it? please, I will appreciate every of your post so give me your opinions!

    #1564
    StoneMade
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    hey there guys. I thought about answering your question but I was also thinking about making a new thread on the IGF basics. but anyway, since I am mostly trying to answer your question OP, I still decided to place this here. so, what Im gonna try to do here is to make a basic IGF cycle guide. this post it is meant to answer a lot of the most and very simple questions which I really hope that I would be able to do so. plus to that, Im also going to continue to update here whenever I would be able to update with anything else. so, let’s get started… I often see there are such questions as what is it? and why is the difference between the huIGF 1 and the LR 3 IGF 1?

    so, now the IGF 1 stands for Insulin like Grown Factor. if you’re gonna search in google for ‘IGF’ you would see it. the IGF I it is the primary protein involved in those responses of cells to growth hormone (GH) ad that is, IGF I is being produced in the response to GH and then later it is also inducing some cellular activities too. like for example, one of such example it is the muscle growth or the hyperplasia. I hope we’re clear up until this moment. if you have any questions now or in regards to anything else further in my post, please ask them all, I will gladly try to help you.
    so now, going further you’ve got to know that this compound is also making the human body being more sensitive to the insulin so you need to pay attention to this. this is the most potent growth factor that it is found in the human body! as I have said it a bit earlier, the IGF 1 it is causing muscle cell hyperplasia and this is an actual splitting and forming of the new muscle cells, this is a good thing and this is the reason why many body builders prefer it.
    going further, LR 3 IGF 1. I’ve explained what IGF means, but I haven’t explained what LR 3 means – it is Long Recumbent 3 IGF 1, and this is an 83 amino acid analog of the human IGF 1 sequence with the substitution of an arg for the glu at the position 3 (and this is why it is LR 3), and a 13 amino acid extension peptide at the N terminus (and this is why the Long).
    the other one HuIGF 1, it is having a 70 amino acid string. this one it is very short lived in the human body (I mean, VERY short lived as the half life of it is most likely approximately 10 or maybe 15 minutes). this type of the IGF 1 it is being very and very useful if you are searching for local site growth. that’s due to the fact that since this type it is being so so short lived, then there is very little of the IGF 1 that makes it to any other tissues and IGF 1 receptors in the body, so that’s why it is so useful for local site growth. the way to inject this is immediately post work out into the muscle that you are willing to have the local site growth and I guess I shouldn’t explain why it is so necessary to ‘immediately’ do it. I can tell you that this one being combined with the TNE and with PGF2a they are going to do some wonders for the site specific growth in my own opinion… but that’s just my opinion so anyway…

    the usage… I think that it needs to be shot PWO. I know that most people shoot bilaterally into the muscle that has been worked. now talking about the usage and the stacking I should tell the following… due to the fact that LR 3 is increasing the hyperplasia I should tell you guys that it is the best when it is used in the combination of some other AAS. having that said I’ve got to say that the ideal situation would be to inject twice ED because of the life of the LR 3. Just in case this is not feasible PWO is going to suffice and is going to suffice well. just in case you are on your off day then I would say that it would be the best way to do it in the AM, that’s because this way it is going to help to fight the catabolism. however, if you are planning to also add insulin to your LR 3 then I would recommend you to be very careful when you do it. the LR 3 is going to make you be much more sensitive to the effects that the insulin is having on you and having that said, if you have a negative effect from using insulin then guess what… and so you’ve got to raise your PWO carb intake in order to get used to the added LR 3. WARNING!!! if you really want to add insulin to the LR 3 then you must be sure what you do. if you haven’t ever ran insulin in the past then DO NOT add it with the LR 3 because god knows what might happen to you! you should be very careful on this!

    in regards to the frequently asked question of: ‘what can I expect?’ I can tell you that first off you should expect to drop a little bit of body fat in case you are really having a good diet. the LR 3 really do seem to be a good stuff in burning off fat. from using it you can expect to have an increased appetite, increased hunger feeling, but people who are looking for bulking, this is, obviously, welcome. however, this can be taken in control while cutting. but then again, I know I’ve said it earlier but I feel I should say it again, the one more thing you need to remember it is hyperplasia… once again, you can expect the forming of the new muscle cells and therefore an increase in the size. the strength it is going to go up along with the new muscle mass, obviously (again, the reason why this product is preferred by many body builders). in addition to that you can also expect some great pumps too. but that’s not always good because for some people it is so bad that it even hurts and in this case you should be the judge here. I personally did have used this (of course) but I have never got so pumps that would hurt like this, I just know that there are so people. but for me personally, I am just feeling more pumps with the insulin instead. again, everybody is different, we should all remember this.

    now, the next question, one of the most frequently asked either is the dosing for the LR 3. you’ve got to know that the general consensus for dosing the LR 3 seems to be between 40 mcg to 60 mcg. if taking less it doesn’t seem to be effective while if taking more it seems to be much more dangerous than the 60 mcg. and also, you’ve got to take this dosage for no longer than 5 weeks either because it can get dangerous as well. but even if you do think that 60 mcg seems to be so ‘not enough’ for you then you should not exceed the maximum of 100 mcg! that’s the absolute maximum and getting more than that would make you regret doing so, for sure. in fact, as I said, even 100 mcg can be way too much making you regret taking such a dosage. having that said, an average user should have absolutely no reason to ever come close to this dosage as it is already way too much. there are some people who shoot every single day, I know it, and there are people who just PWO. so now, I know have said it earlier, but I tell this again… on those days that you are not working out then the best thing to do it is just to shoot it whenever you are waking up… this is going to help you to maintain the constant ‘good’ blood levels and therefore, as I said, this is going to help to fight off with the catabolism. if you’re gonna do it all fine you’re going to be all fine. I’m sure about that.

    those people who are using it for the first time I would recommend you to start very slowly because it can be dangerous so starting slowly means to take 40 mcg (because as I said, less than that seems to be less effective, but if you want you can try it out even less, maybe it would be effective) and only on the PWO days. taking for example 60 mcg on a daily basis must be done only by people with experience. that’s why being a first time user you must pay extra care (but using it with caution must be done by everybody!). so do it as I said, and this way you can use 40 mcg for 5 weeks assuming that you have only one MG of LR 3. this is a really great starting dosage that is going to get you some initial results which I do think they would be noticeable. but then, if you are an experienced user and if you have used 40 mcg in the past but you was not able to see the results that you have wanted to get ten I think that only then you should go further and try only the 60 mcg!

    now, for those who are wondering in regards of the cycle then I can tell you that a great way to run a cycle that it is including the IGF I would say that it would be as the following: weeks 1 – 12 test enanthate E3D between 500 and 750 mg per week, weeks 1 – 4 15 – 19* using 40 mcg of LR 3 ED and then PCT 14 – 18. * in regards to that, in my opinion, I really do not feel that this is needed the first week of the PCT, if my weight falls off then it does in weeks 2 to 3 and that is why I want to alleviate the problem…

    now, the next one, dosing for the huIGF… this is nearly about the same as with the LR 3. but remember that this is exclusively based only on my own opinion and it is all based only on what I have gathered and what I have read as well as from my experience. it might be different for different people, not sure. so, since there is nearly no information at all on this one then from as much as I know about this then this is how I would do (and how I do now and how I will do whenever when it would come to when I will use it). PWO with 30 mcg to 40 mcg into each muscle that has been worked. then, about 20 to 30 minutes later I would repeat again. and I would do this for like 4 times which means that in a total it would be of 120 to 160 mcg. another thing that I do think it is important to mention is that if I were using this then I would use it along with the humalog either. the reason is that the insulin is going to remain active for more than one hour after the IGF has been injected and therefore, this is going to get all of the possible gains from it that you just could get from using it, getting all the possible gains is the best way to use anything, isn’t it?

    next thing to mention here is how to figure out the dosing… ok, so I get it, I should use like 40 mcg, however how do I figure that out?! well, look, we all know that 1 mg it is equal to 1000 of mcg. assuming that there is 1 ml of liquid then we could say that just one ml it is equal to 1000 mcg and also it is equal to 100 units too. having that said, we get that 2 units it is equal to 20 mcg. I guess it is obvious that the best way that you could measure this it is to use an insulin syringe which would greatly help you. I also think that if you want, you can get away with a 1 cc syringe either, however I personally do prefer to use the .5 cc or maybe even those smaller ones (the .33 cc). the thing is that they are measuring out every single unit and so, when you are measuring only 2 units then it is a lot much easier on the smaller pin than on those that are bigger and harder to determine the measure you need. as I have said it earlier, you can go away with the 1 cc syringe either and while it might be fine too, this one is being measured out by only 2 IU at a time and so, one ‘tick’ on the 1 cc it is 2 iu, while on the .5 cc each ‘tick’ it is one iu so therefore it is easier. but then again, you might use whichever is closer to your heart.

    but now, I have seen such thing as… wow, so you mean that you are telling me I’ve got to shoot 4 iu of this stuff? and also, what if I do not get it all out of there?? well, when it comes to this question I’ve gotta tell you: I have found that the best way to get it and even measure my LR 3 it is like this. the first thing is that you must draw out 30 iu of the B12 or the BW (which stands for bacteriostatic water) on the dot. after that you must draw out your LR 3 dosage, draw out for a total of 34 iu. well, this means that you have 4 iu of LR 3 in the end of your syringe (make the calculations yourself and you’re gonna see it). now, with all of this done, then you’ve got to shoot out all of that and so, in this way you could be sure that absolutely all of the LR 3 is going to be out and also into your desired muscle of your choice. this would make you have it injected the best way (the best way I found) whenever you want, wherever you want and in the safe way.

    that’s pretty much it. those are some basic questions that are most frequently asked and I do think that this post might be helpful for those who are wondering in such questions. I really hope that it would be helpful for some. again, if you do have some questions I will gladly ask them all (of course, if I would be able to). if there’s anything else, you can also write me privately. good luck!

    #1565
    StoneMade
    Participant

    hey there guys once again. I’ve been thinking about my previous post and I realized that it is not fully made. I mean, I thought that there are some other things that misses that post so I decided to update it (plus, as I have mentioned in my first post, if I would have something else to update – I would, so here I’m doing it).

    one of the most important thing that got out of my mind is reconstitution. that’s essential. in order to tell you more about this I’ve got to say that there are many other threads and articles that IMO are written way much better than I ever could do it, so I suggest you to find those great threads on reconstitution with AA (which stands for acetic acid), you people got to check it out there (because, in addition, as I said, my thread is by far not enough, as I said, it is only basic stuff, if you’re seriously intending to use it, you’ve got to research a lot firstly!). but, just about always you should not have to be worried about reconstituting it yourself. this means that nearly all of the manufacturers nowadays (but maybe already all of them since there are controls) are suspending their LR 3 in either BA or AA for you, so that’s very good.

    one other thing which is also important and many people is the storage. well, look, you’ve gotta know that the stability of a liquid solution of the LR 3 IGF 1 has been monitored for a period of 2 years at a storage conditions of -20 C, +4 C, +22 C, and lastly +37 C. well, the final concentration of the LR 3 IGF 1 has been in acetic acid (AA). at some various time points (I guess it is not so important to mentioned them here), those samples have been taken and were compared to a lyophilized control (which is stored at + 4 C). what I do think that might be important for you people to know is the list that I have made below, those are the stability results for each respective storage condition which I hope is going to help you to properly store your doses.

    at the storage condition of -20 C (which is -4 F) the biological potency has had absolutely no change up to 2 years, exactly the same goes to the immunological activity which has had absolutely no change up to 2 years. the same goes to the following 2: mobility of protein no change up to 2 years as well as elution profile by reversed phased HPLC no change up to 2 years.

    at the storage condition of +4 C (which is 39.2 F) everything went exactly the same as with -20 C.
    Biological Potency No Change up to 2 years. Immunological Activity No Change up to 2 years. Mobility of Protein No Change up to 2 years. Elution Profile by reversed phased HPLC No Change up to 2 years; exactly as with the storage condition of +22 C (which is 71.6 F) with no changes…. Biological Potency No Change up to 2 years. Immunological Activity No Change up to 2 years. Mobility of Protein No Change up to 2 years. Elution Profile by reversed phased HPLC No Change up to 2 years.
    the only one that did have had a change has been at the storage condition of +37 C (which is 98.6 F) because everything goes exactly the same with the exception that it did have had changes up to 2 years. however at this temperature it still didn’t had any change up to 1 year as it goes like the following: Biological Potency No Change up to 1 year. Immunological Activity No Change up to 1 year. Mobility of Protein No Change up to 1 year. Elution Profile by reversed phased HPLC No Change up to 1 year.
    that’s pretty much it but I also wanted to add a conclusion which I haven’t done on my first thread but I do know that many people want it (when I was searching for such information, I was always searching for conclusions as I thought that they were really helpful) and so, here’s the conclusion to both posts I wrote here:
    there is no big or significant difference in the potency of the LR 3 IGF 1 that is associated with the storage of the liquid formulation when it is being stored at this range of temperatures. there is absolutely no evidence for loss of the biological activity at any of the tested temperatures that I have given you above when it is stored as a liquid product. having that said, you can store it nearly however you want, except for not letting it at temperatures more than like +30 C for more than a year. but generally, as much as you can see it yourself, IGF can be pretty stable for even a year and more at a room temperature. but then again, if you do want or plan to keep it around for more than a year then I would recommend you to stick it into the fridge. and now, since I do know that there are situations when we keep it around for more than a year, IMO, the best way to store the LR 3 that is suspended in BA is in the freezer. the BA is not going to allow it to freeze. and also, if you are having it suspended in AA then I would say that you’ve got to store it in the fridge.

    again, hoping this is going to be helpful to you guys, at least I really tried to help with whatever I could.

    #1566
    Yoursider
    Participant

    [quote] well, I do try to understand what you are talking about, but the thing is that the main active ingredient it is octacosanol and I do think that this is natural, isn’t it? I mean, this might help and might be a bit less dangerous since it is natural, no? [/quote]

    hey there OP, I am really not trying to come down on you here because I really think that you are doing it all right and that’s very good all you do here, I mean, by asking before buying anything or even trying it out without knowing anything. so I do think that you’ve done the right thing and deciding to stay away from it is also a good idea. what I wanted to say is that you should not forget that ‘natural’ surely does not mean that it is safe… have you ever heard of lead or mercury? well, both are perfectly natural and they are pure substances (natural!!!) but I am damn sure that I would not call the being safe as they surely are not. there’s just so much hype out there. as soon as you know the bunk products and you are go reading their hyped reports/ ads. with time you are going to start to notice a pattern in there ‘phraseology’. plus, there is surely no substitute for doing your own research as well. hope you would do it.

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