Recovery from an injury with peptides
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June 20, 2017 at 9:57 am #1797TherageParticipant
So well… the other day I have strained an upper oblique/ serratus and since I just kept on lifting heavy sh*t it just has got worse and worse. I am not very sure at this current moment either it is a really bad strain or tear or it is not, however what I do know for sure is that I am not able to lift at all right now and that’s why I would appreciate some help in this consensus.
As much as you can see, I am searching for that something that is going to help me to speed up my recovery process and so I would be able to get back in the gym as soon as possible and, of course, not to make it all even worse than it is now. so well, I am going to be doing all my best to rehab it of course, however anything that might be able to speed this along is going to be a miracle product for me in this situation. From the little research that I have already done before coming here asking it (because I’m not a person that asks without doing at least a little bit of research first on my own) I saw that tb- 500 is looking quite an good thing for me and plus to that, I read that IGF 1 as well as the HGH are able to help me with my situation as well so I wanted to ask what do you think about it? is it true? is it worth it? what kind of speed up I might see if I would see any at all? and most importantly: what do you, more experienced guys, can suggest me here? I see of some people who have already used all peptides, IGF 1 as well as HGH so I am thinking that you already should know what has worked for you and what has not? Anything is very appreciated and thanks!June 20, 2017 at 10:56 am #1799StoneMadeParticipant
Tb 500 as you have said it yourself, that’s a good thing. I think that you’ve gotta research more on this one and learn about it. another good thing I can say that you should research on is bpc 157. Very good either which can help. There’s also Ostarine which you might want to look into but I think that either bpc 157 and tb 500 are going to do a better job. Hope this helps.June 21, 2017 at 11:14 am #1800LockDownParticipant
Indeed I do agree with the previous poster who recommended to research on bpc 157 and tb 500. I personally have had some really good results in healing a shoulder on the tb 500, no wonders that you have been recommended it by someone else as well – a very good thing that must do the job properly. Hope it would help you as much as it helped me.June 21, 2017 at 11:20 am #1801KermanParticipant
Therage, I do understand trying to make some gains, however in case you have strained the muscle but you were still kept on lifting then… honestly, what else were you expecting to get? I mean, there’s no one else to blame for this… you should know one very important thing which to me it seems obvious, but many people seem to ignore it: pain it is actually how your body is trying to talk with you and when you do get the pains your body tells you to slow the fu*k down! You’ve gotta rest, apply ice and of course time to heal it up. Or work around it. just for future reference maybe it is going to help you or someone else who makes similar mistakes. Good luckJune 21, 2017 at 11:30 am #1802TherageParticipant
Kerman thanks and yeah, that’s for sure man, you are definitely right on that one. Ego has definitely got the best of me out there. I just can say that I found it quite hard to take time off from lifting when you are sitting PRs every session in mid cycle…
But yeah, surely you are right on that one. I am going to keep on resting, and icing it from this moment on. I knew this and I know there’s no one else to blame for this but me. I haven’t even tried to blame anyone, that’s absolutely my fault and I do realize that I’ve made a mistake. In fact, I knew that I am doing a mistake even then, but I thought that maybe it is not anything that bad. Seemingly it is. Anyhow, good news (for me of course) is that it does feels quite a bit better today. Now I am thinking that Im gonna need to search more into the peps and to evaluate how Im healing here before I would go back hitting the heavy sh*t hard and heavy.June 21, 2017 at 12:03 pm #1803
Hey therage, I would really like to comment on this part you wrote up there as of
*As much as you can see, I am searching for that something that is going to help me to speed up my recovery process and so I would be able to get back in the gym as soon as possible and, of course, not to make it all even worse than it is now. so well, I am going to be doing all my best to rehab it of course, however anything that might be able to speed this along is going to be a miracle product for me in this situation.*
You’ve got to know that exclusively of those “bro” anecdotes out there, there are NO reliable/ trustable/ real evidence/ proof that any of those compounds are actually speeding up the injury recovery! I thought that this is very important for you to know so not to have too many expectations and then ending up being completely disappointed. Healing is taking time and that’s as simple as that!
People can accept it by just avoiding those types of exercises that are triggering that pain or the discomfort or the increase of risk of the injury by using some kind of drugs that are ‘masking/ hiding away’ that reparative process, and they are just continuing to work out as if everything is absolutely fine. just my 2 cents for whatever it’s gonna be worth.June 21, 2017 at 12:21 pm #1804
in regards to that part of when you strained the muscle and even so op kept on lifting on there were nothing else to expect written by kerman [quote] Therage, I do understand trying to make some gains, however in case you have strained the muscle but you were still kept on lifting then… honestly, what else were you expecting to get? I mean, there’s no one else to blame for this… you should know one very important thing which to me it seems obvious, but many people seem to ignore it: pain it is actually how your body is trying to talk with you and when you do get the pains your body tells you to slow the fu*k down! You’ve gotta rest, apply ice and of course time to heal it up. Or work around it. just for future reference maybe it is going to help you or someone else who makes similar mistakes. Good luck [/quote]
you know… you are right no doubts but, there are just those people, some of them, who must learn it the hard way, only that way, and believe that throwing even more money, like for example in supplements, at darn near anything that is being related to the bb or lifting it is done with the most speed and efficiency, as if the best solution out there. but as usual, there are always 2 sides and contrary to those talking of the supplement ‘success’ such a thought it is one reason why those supplements out there sold are in the, literally, billions every single year.
And finally now, one final point is that, the only supplements that you should be consuming are, perhaps, only some ‘extra’ amino acids in the form of a very well balanced diet, with, of course, an also good rounded exercise routine. And that’s pretty much it.June 22, 2017 at 12:47 pm #1807HaroldParticipant
Well, I have seen people here recommending and talking about the TB 500 so I thought about sharing my opinion on this one since I have also ran it on a few occasions I had and that’s why I thought that sharing my experience might be a bit helpful to OP. in addition to the fact that I have my personal experience with it, I have even documented it on some different forums so I know a bit about it.
I just have to say that there are only a few studies done out there about the TB 500 to be honest, however very slim in my findings. I personally am not a very huge peptide fan to be honest, however the anti inflammatory properties that the TB 500 has, does seemed to be working extremely well, at least for me personally. Either is that a placebo effect only or something that has actually worked I am not sure, but what I know is that it did has worked in my anecdotal experience. Then again, that’s just only me, not sure how well it works/ worked for other people. I also guess that it might depend on your injury type as well as your own body chemistry. But then again, for me it did worked. That’s a response to the person who said that there are no evidence that it actually works (and I still don’t have it except my experience) and maybe to make you better know TB 500.June 22, 2017 at 1:04 pm #1808
Hello there Harold, from as much as I can understand, you shared that, mostly in response to my earlier post out there, or at least that’s what I understood by reading the last part of your post, to be more specific, this one:
I personally am not a very huge peptide fan to be honest, however the anti inflammatory properties that the TB 500 has, does seemed to be working extremely well, at least for me personally. Either is that a placebo effect only or something that has actually worked I am not sure, but what I know is that it did has worked in my anecdotal experience. Then again, that’s just only me, not sure how well it works/ worked for other people. I also guess that it might depend on your injury type as well as your own body chemistry. But then again, for me it did worked. That’s a response to the person who said that there are no evidence that it actually works (and I still don’t have it except my experience) and maybe to make you better know TB 500.
Very well, look, there are a lot of therapies that are diminishing the symptoms and I have not tried to say that there are no, however they must not be equated with an accelerated healing process because those are 2 different things we are talking about and I was talking about specifically the healing process.
As an example, you can search for the information on the NSAIDs with respect to the MS injuries due to the fact while they are usually doing a good job in diminishing the pains, typically, such kind of a therapy is actually not speeding up the healing process but it works the other way around of actually DELAYING the healing process! And that’s especially if you have used for more than a few days that NSAID. I’m sure you know what I am trying to say here.
In addition to that, I am also being interested to note that nearly all of the PEPs on todays market, are wo comparisons to the conventional therapy, use a reduction of the inflammatory mediators as being the ‘evidence or proof’ of the effect, or involving rodents with some pretty varied MS functional relationships compared to humans… in the end you might ask… can these compounds be of some help, of any help at all? so well… I personally do suspect that it might be, HOWEVER from a cost based perspective, I one am unaware of any evidence that they provide more bang for the ones buck compared to the traditional and old ‘rice’ therapy. Just in case there are ANY of you who has ANY evidence proving that, I BEG you to share it here with us, or write me privately. I did searched for the info, and I couldn’t find any, to me that is talking about that there simply is not such an evidence, meaning it is not more effective, again, all my opinion.June 22, 2017 at 1:13 pm #1813HaroldParticipant
Oh yeah, I guess you have not got me right, I totally do agree with what you said up there, I totally do agree with you that most of this crap it is exactly this, it is actually crap! There are no wonders. And I totally agree with you, a good amino acid supplement with a very well balanced diet and good exercise routine it is everything you need. I don’t know if any further damage has been made in the time of taking TB 500 so I am absolutely not trying to say that it is not doing any. It very well might do it and I perfectly understand it. I just want to say that so far, in my experience, it has not done any damages, but that’s so far.
What I wanted to say is I could be part equine as this peptide has been used for some years on race horses. There’s an interesting article online that I found. Just write in google:
The Stacking of TB-500 with GHRP-6 or hGH for a Healing Cycle
The first link. Quite sure you would like it and enjoy reading it.June 23, 2017 at 3:19 am #1815GastonParticipant
Hello there everyone, yeah, this is my first post here on this forum as I just have registered here. I know this is influencing somebody’s views when they see a newcomer but I still decided to say it. and with all due respect as humbly as I can tell this, I would tell you people that absolutely anything and everything that is supporting recovery of the body as well as aids in growth, most likely it does helps. I just saying this, and you may very well, I understand, call it broscience if you would like to call it like that, however there are studies done and simple common sense is a powerful thing to my opinion. That have shown me the effect of the somatropin to have, without absolutely any doubts or anything, increased my healing time from a slew of some injuries. But then again, those were my own personal injuries. And I have extremely big doubts that it was placebo effect, it was actually the fact that it has increased the healing time.
Very well, in order to give you a little bit of a background here, growing up I have been as wild as you can imagine. I definitely wasn’t a ‘chill child’ and my parents often had headaches because of me and of how wild I was. Always full of energy and always full of motivation of doing something. That’s why: skateboards, dirtbikes, rock climbing and I am also a licensed skydiver too… these are just to mention a few of my extreme sports I do, in total I guess I have tried them all. and I have to say that to which, I have always either gone big, or I have not gone at all! having all of that said, you can understand, I guess, how many injuries I had my entire life. I have a very long list of fractures, breaks, dislocations, hyper extensions, tears, compound fractures, sprains as well as organ damage. That long list makes me be quite of a ‘veteran’ at knowing roughly how long it is going to take for my body to heal itself up from this fracture or from that injury. When I had another injury (as usual) and started using HGH I have seen a really big difference, the healing time was greatly reduced compared to that time I expected it. with all of this said, doubtful, yeah, the HGH did has helped me very much to recover much more quicker from some injuries out there. but this is only my opinion based on my experience. Ultimately, I am not trying to say that someone out there is wrong or that is right. Maybe, ultimately, those things do work but not for everyone, that’s why it is hard for them to give a real evidence. As for me, it has worked very well. Or maybe there are other things…
With all of this already being said, I one am not very sure whether the gh would be effective very quickly or not for your injury, that’s unless you are already pretty well into a gh cycle. I am saying all of this due to the fact that the last time I have injured myself that was quite a good injury. But it was still not anything worse or bad if comparing to some other injuries that I have had in the past, LOL. but anyhow, to most of other people that are not as wild and crazy as I am LOL, they were just some substantial injuries. Either is that going to make anyone understand how it has actually worked I am not sure but I thought of sharing this info so maybe someone would really understand. I ve got stabbed with a rusty steel rod 5/8” in diameter and 5 inches deep into my lat, which it has only stopped from going more into me due to the fact that it has lodged itself into my top right rib, and it broke that rib. In addition to that, in that accident I had, I have dislocated and I tore my tendons in my right shoulder as well as sprained my right ankle too. No need to mention that my breathing has been depressed due to the stab wound I got and of the broken rib, especially.
So look… during at that time, I have already been for more than 2 months into the test/ tren ace/ hgh cycle. I mean, when I had that accident I was already running this cycle for 2 months and I strongly feel that this has played an extremely important role in all my healing processes. The gh has been really starting to take effect (as we all know, I guess, the gh does not start working as soon as you start using it). I have already started to lose fat then and I have been at that point where I have started to both see and to feel the effects of the growth. That’s very important that I had the accident right at the peak of my cycle working. I have been on 250 mg of test a week and 100 mg of tren ace a day, and in addition to that the growth hormone which I have been using at 8 iu a day. The gh has been really good as well, as I said, I could see and feel that it works, it was really kicking my arse good, lol.
Whatever the case… as a final result… I have ended up to heal so so fast that I have been back on the light duty at work in WITHIN a week after that accident I just described you earlier (I am working a very heavy strenuous job btw, you should know it as well) and although, of course, within a week I wasn’t 100% recovered, WITHIN a month, I was already able to lift, and I was able to lift HEAVY! It is important to also mention, I guess, that I am currently not very old, but I am also not very young anymore. Trust me I know very well that without the gh the results wouldn’t be the ones I got., I know very well from sustaining those injuries in the past as well that it would have taken me at least twice as long as well as physical therapy in order to heal up to that point I did with gh… and that’s AT LEAST, because thinking of it, that might have required even more. Children, when they still haven’t fully grown, they are secreting growth hormone like crazy so they growth and recover extremely fast. Now, I have healed as if I did when I have been a child. I remember the time when I was 16 years old how fast I would heal and how fast I was healing these last few years. At 16 the process was MUCH faster even if the injury was worse than now, back then I would feel very and very quickly. But unfortunately, that’s how life and our body are made which means that as we are getting older we do not produce so much growth hormone and therefore we do not recover so fast. I could very easily notice this on myself because the older I was getting, without any doubts, the healing process was slower. With all of this said and everything else, I am a firm believer that with the addition of the GH, you can heal quicker, but I feel that it is important not to start the gh after the injury as you might not see any differences, but to already run the gh for a good while in the time of accident. But ultimately, what we seem to forget is that this is a hormone that is being designed to aid and help in both recovery and growth… not sure how helpful it would be, but I hope it would for some…June 23, 2017 at 3:45 am #1817GastonParticipant
[quote] Very well, look, there are a lot of therapies that are diminishing the symptoms and I have not tried to say that there are no, however they must not be equated with an accelerated healing process because those are 2 different things we are talking about and I was talking about specifically the healing process.
As an example, you can search for the information on the NSAIDs with respect to the MS injuries due to the fact while they are usually doing a good job in diminishing the pains, typically, such kind of a therapy is actually not speeding up the healing process but it works the other way around of actually DELAYING the healing process! And that’s especially if you have used for more than a few days that NSAID. I’m sure you know what I am trying to say here. [/quote]
Hi there, I just read this part and I wanted to speak specifically about it. I am saying this humbly and in more of like question form to be honest. But it is not comparing a non steroidal anti inflammatory drug and a peptide such as the growth hormone kind of unreasonable? The NSAIDs are, obviously, made in order to reduce the inflammation, fever, as well as to provide a minor pain relief too. From as much as I can see and understand it, they are in absolutely no way, and please correct me in case I am wrong on saying this, thought or designed to be helpful or do such things as for example the support of protein synthesis as well as the recovery of the human body as a whole. Again, to my understanding, the NSAIDs are more of something like a ‘band aid’ (not sure how good this example is) in order to make you feel better for the moment.
Again, maybe not the best example but the one I thought of is… let’s presume that I am hungry, in one hand I am having a bottle of vodka and in the other one I am having a plate which contains food. Now, if I drink the vodka it is going to make you feel better for the moment, temporarily, however I am later going to wake up from my drunk state, lol, and I m still going to be hungry and in addition to that I would be even more hungry than I was in the past. what I am trying to say with my example is that there is one substance which is helping you in the direct process of dealing with the actual problem, in the time the other substance is simply hiding that problem for a while making you feel better for the moment. One treats the actual problem while the other hides the problem by treating only the symptoms. But then again, not sure if that’s correct, that’s just my opinion and the way I look at these things. Through the experience I am having with the GH tho, I have greatly reduced down the healing/ recovery time very well, but that’s just my experience, own experience I have with them. To my experience, it was not hiding the problem, it was actually dealing with it. but then again, in the end, all of this is only my honesty, my opinion and humbly I am just trying to understand what you are actually trying to say there SCANAST. Thank you very much for everything whatever the case. Really appreciating the fact that you are trying to help us.June 23, 2017 at 4:03 am #1818
That’s no doubt a really fascinating and interesting anecdote, now if you could only show us all a scientific evidence that would support/ back up your experience that you had.
I say this because in case your anecdotal information that you shared has been supported by evidence based research ‘traumatic M-S injuries’ then it would already be listed as a therapeutic indication for the supplemental GH, however, as much as you can see, it is NOT and don’t you think, why is that? Actually?
I saw you mentioned ‘common sense’ but… has your common sense ever got and thought about that question?
But anyway, this is a free forum so you are entitled to unsubstituted non evidence based opinions… in the end of it… there is one thing that’s for sure… when it is coming down to PEDS and many of those who are using them, the common sense it is anything else but common…
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